Baccarat Card Counting App
Card Counting in Baccarat – Close to Impossible but Still an Option. Card counting has gained enormous popularity at Blackjack ever since Edward E. Thorp published his 1964 bestseller Beat the Dealer. It’s a method that has proven to be lucrative for players who have used it successfully to beat blackjack. Apr 04, 2017 Card counting works for blackjack and Spanish 21 if you know how to do it and can get away with it. It can even work for baccarat, but as you can see it isn’t worth the effort. If you’re looking for an edge against the casino you can safely skip baccarat and move on to the next game.
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'That poster says 'the myth that baccarat can't be counted'
Most that have commented on counting Bac
do not say that ,
they say it is not worth the effort for the small gains in a B&M casino.
Most are commenting on linear count systems like those developed by Thorp
and Griffin. These use a statistical approximation which works well for
blackjack, but very badly for baccarat. Computers use precise analysis.
You can thank me by spending $10 on my iPhone app. However, what I have always said is that baccarat is not countable without the aid of a computer. With a computer -- you bet it is countable.
This could lead to baccarat with no mid-shoe entry!
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Most are commenting on linear count systems like those developed by Thorp
and Griffin. These use a statistical approximation which works well for
blackjack, but very badly for baccarat. Computers use precise analysis.
That is what I did for baccarat. If there is some other way to humanly count baccarat effectively I haven't thought of it. Maybe smarter minds than mine have.
For the record, my local casino allows use of computers at the table(although I probably would be a little discreet, par for the course) and allows for sitting through a hundred or so hands without playing.
Note that I am not joking. What is offered specifically is baccarat, through completely electronic means(no live dealer, a physical shoe of eight decks is shuffled and dealt by a mechanical arm while you are seated at a electronic table. Usually there are about fifty seats and rarely does any human pass by. And I have sat at the table for many hours without betting(long as my money is in the machine)
One more thing. The table is multi-game. That is there are actually two physical games concurrent. You can choose to watch the physical dealing of the cards at either of two tables. The results for both ongoing games are displayed in front of you on two large screens and you can switch games from your console depending on which you prefer to bet at any given moment. So in effect, you could count at two different shoes simultaneously and double your chances for catching that opportune moment using card counting.
You can thank me by spending $10 on my iPhone app. However, what I have always said is that baccarat is not countable without the aid of a computer. With a computer -- you bet it is countable.
If it's countable with a computer, I see no reason to think it isn't without. In particular, the tie bet - the familiar system of betting big on the tie bet if every last odd card has come out of the shoe is clearly unworkable, but I'm putting in a number of even/odd unbalanced distributions that seem to have a positive yield with many odds left in the deck, and for which the linear card removal function shows a massive edge. Makes me wonder...
Hmm... 40,960 possible counts... how many possible compositions to each count? I think I can set an upper bound at 2^40... inviable.
If it's countable with a computer, I see no reason to think it isn't without.
Wow, that's a quote.
'If it's easy to do on a modern computer (and a modern cell phone is a supercomputer from the 1970's), then it must be a cinch to do this AP thing perfectly on our fingertips, when at the casino in live play - with floormen and surveillance watching! Makes sense to me!'
Of course. Great idea. Counting down Baccarat for untold riches, just like counting down Blackjack. Counting cards, what a Fresh idea.... Why didn't I think of it sooner? Actually, what I recommend is developing and selling casino games to casino operators to make a living, - because I actually found THAT to be a much more realistic and lucrative avenue. And that, too, is a cinch to carry off.
Well I disagree. Successfully counting Blackjack is ridiculously hard. Forget about Baccarat. If you WANT to look for AP play suggestions, then try Steve How's AP site for avenues of opportunity.
One of the biggest problems I have with AP counting play it is more unrealistic than it appears to the eye, and that counting is clung to like an oxygen mask in a gas chamber - at least in this gas chamber. Spending the same effort on one's personal life, education, work, or even a life outside of this counting effort - is considered a waste. I spent the same time learning to deal, then later game design, - and I found it was the only thing that paid off in this industry. Call me crazy, and tell me that I am wrong.
Ten years ago I read Bringing Down the House, where brilliant MIT undergraduates - all with 1600 SATs and computer-fast brains - went through Heaven and Hell and eventually lost with the allure of card counting, in a way that mere mortals seriously inquiring the possibility on this site cannot understand. Many abandoned engineering and medical degrees that would have set them up for life in productive lives, or lost massive amounts of time on this side car effort. They lived a large fantasy life for a couple of years.
Eliot J. has a Ph. D in math, and he couldn't make it as a card counter - and he tried.
If you have between a GED and a masters, you should abandon all hope. In fact, if you spend any time at this board chatting, instead of practicing your camoflage, and your Hi-Lo counting abilities - then you've lost.
So tiresome to hear this speech every three days or so.
I would bet that even the most casually involved members have heard it.
Newsflash...you are farting into the wind.
Spend more time on your inventions and leave it alone.
How long a life do you think this is anyway?
My friend calls you DAN QUIJOTE....
For gods sake give it a rest.
So tiresome to hear this speech every three days or so.
So am I, - hearing of the fantasy of the riches to come - from counting. That's the old G-ddamn sh]t at this point.
Gotta call the losing plan as it really is.
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So guys, can we learn some tricks?:
1. The NEW AP areas - Best play on UTH? New approaches to UTH?
2. Best Pai Gow Poker strategy - and why?
3. New games designs - what do you guys have to show?
4. Interesting prop bets that you guys have made recently - and the bet's conditions?
5. Experiences in dealer school versus the first week on the job?
6. How to resurrect Horse racing - any ideas to create new bets for that - there are People at Santa Anita who WOULD be interested!
7. Do you create your own sports bets pool - how to do?
And the like...think of something new...
These are some ideas - aside from 'I'm gonna get RICH by counting - what a new idea! who's gonna know or back me off in the casino? It's FOOLPROOF, I tell you!'
Now THIS is all that is hear at this point, - and I am fighting this.
New people come to this board, to fart into the wind that card counting as 'the new thing that'll work, that'll 'get fixed' ' - which it isn't - and when I shoot them down - you defend them as 'doable AP.' It is no longer.
I put up a post saying the counting door is closing, and to loose it - and it is. You are wasting your own, as that avenue is closed, and I told you why.You show something new.
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This poker calculator will give you the odds of a win, loss, and tie for each player. Click on any card and it will be used in the position indicated by the yellow frame. You may click on any valid card to move the frame there. Check 'folded hand' to indicate the given player is out of the hand, removing his cards from the remaining deck. You may also configure any random situation. Enjoy!
The Wizard would like to give full credit and thanks to J.B. for this application.